The Grizzly Times Podcast
Available Episodes:
Episode 42
Gary Macfarlane
Episode 41
Lou Bruno
Episode 40
Adelle Welch
Episode 39
David Stalling
Episode 38 - Part Four
Estella Leopold
Episode 37 - Part Three
Estella Leopold
Episode 36 - Part Two
Estella Leopold
Episode 35- Part one
Estella Leopold
Episode 34
Bob Jackson
Episode 33
Gabriel Paun
Episode 32
Garbriel Paun
Episode 31
Manon Dene
Episode 30
Tim Preso
Episode 29
Rob Wielgus
Episode 28
Margot Kidder
Episode 27
Jack Locker
Episode 26
Pat Williams
Episode 25
Chris Genovali
Episode 24
George Wuerthner
Episode 23
Nick Arrivo
Episode 22
Doug Peacock
Episode 21
Jim and Heidi Barrett
Episode 20
Lyn Dalebout
Episode 19
Dr Brad Bergstrom
Episode 18
Rick Bass
Episode 17
Dr. Adrien Treves
Episode 16
Dr Marc Bekoff
Episode 15
Jack Oeflke
Episode 14
Sam Jojola
Episode 13
Barbara Ulrich
Episode 12
Stephany Seay
Episode 11
Bethany Cotton
Episode 10
Dr. Paul Paquet and
Chris Darimont
Episode 9
Michelle Uberuaga
Episode 8 - Part Two
Jesse Logan
Episode 7 - Part One
Jesse Logan
Episode 6 - Part Two
Charlie Russell
Episode 5 - Part One
Charlie Russell
Episode 4
Tim Borzoth
Episode 3
Casey Anderson
Episode 2:
Chuck Neal
Episode 1
Dr Barrie Gilbert
Listen here too:
Summer Reading:
BOOKS
Walden and Civil Disobedience,
Henry David Thoreau
A Sand Country Almanac,
Aldo Leopold
Our Natural History: The Lessons of Lewis and Clark,
Danial B. Botkin
Crossing The Next Meridian Land: Water and the Future of the West, Charles, F. Wilkinson
The Wisdom of the Crowds: Why the Many are Smarter than the Few and How Collective Wisdom Shapes Business, Economies, Societies and Nations,
James Surowiecki
The Lorax
Dr. Seuss
Teaching a Stone to Talk
Annie Dillard
Sand County Almanac
Aldo Leopold
Ecology of Conflict: Marine Food Supply Affects Human-Wildlife Interaction on Land
Artelle, K.A, et al,
Sci. Rep. 6, 25936; doi: 10.1038/srep25936 (2016)
Wildlife Conservation and Animal Welfare: Two Sides of the Same Coin?
PC Paquet and CT Darimont
Animal Welfare, 2010, 19: 177-190 ISSN 1962-7286
The Unique Ecology of Human Predators
Chris Darimont et al,
Science, 349, 858 (2015) DOI:10.1126/science.aac 4249
Grizzlies in the Mist, by Chuck Neal
Chuck shares rare insights on grizzly bears with a clarity that can only come from spending decades in grizzly bears’ company. In addition to sharing fascinating natural history on grizzly bears, the book serves another purpose, a daring one, which involves stripping the veil of confusion and doublespeak utilized by managers to hide what they are doing from the public. Chuck provides a clear diagnosis of the real management problems today. He pulls no punches in his discussion or in his commonsense suggestions about how to fix the current problems for bears and the broader public interest.
Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance, by Stephen Herrero
Bear Attacks is the classic must-read book on the subject.
Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock
Grizzly Heart: Living Without Fear Among the Brown Bears of Kamchatka,2002,
by Charlie Russell and Maureen Enns
Spirit Bear: Encounter with the White Bear of the Western Rainforest, 1994,
by Charlie Russell
The Beardude Story: Data vs Dogma, Apr 9,2015
by Mr. Allen W. Piche
The Grizzly,1914,
by Enos A. Mills
PAPERS
Ecology of Place: Mountain Pine Beetle, Whitebark Pine, and Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem: WFIWC Founders Award, 2009,
Dr Jesse Logan.
In the Rockies, Pine Dies and Bears Feel It, Charles Petit,
New York Times, 2007
Global Warming's Unlikely Harbingers, Michelle Niijhuis,
High Country News. 2004
The Scrambled Natural World of Global Warming,
Washington State Magazine,
Winter 2014
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Episode 30 - Tim Preso
August 2018
Tim Preso is Managing Attorney for Earthjustice’s Northern Rockies regional office in Bozeman, MT. He a lead attorney on Earthjustice's suite of national forest protection cases, as well as on cases to block oil and gas leasing in the Wyoming Range and to protect wolves in Idaho and Wyoming from unlawful persecution.
Tim has enjoyed enormous success on behalf of wild nature, including stunning wins for grizzly bears. He was also a lead attorney in a case that upheld the protection of 60 million acres of roadless lands and the Clinton Roadless Rule.
Tim is one of the lead attorneys in a current case involving the government’s 2017 decision to strip endangered species protections for Yellowstone grizzlies and allow trophy hunting for the first time in 43 years. He will argue for restoring grizzly bear protections on August 30, 2018 in federal district court in Missoula.
Tim received a B.A. in journalism from Oregon State University in Corvallis. He worked for several years as an award-winning reporter for a Bend, Oregon newspaper, covering environmental issues. Tim then returned to school and graduated summa cum laude from Georgetown University Law Center in Washington, D.C. He clerked for Judge Harry T. Edwards of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit before joining a D.C.-area law firm.
Reading List
Sand County Almanac, Aldo Leopold
"Mountain Lion", poem by D.H. Lawrence
Wildlife in America, Peter Matthiessen
Episode 29 - Rob Wielgus
August 2018
You will be fascinated by Dr. Rob Wielgus’ carnivore research and what he shows about how to improve coexistence with wolves, grizzlies and mountain lions. Rob’s is also a tragic tale of what can happen when a world class scientist gets crossways with entrenched political interests – and the livestock industry. Until recently, Rob was Associate Professor and Director of the Large Carnivore Conservation Lab at Washington State University. For the last 30 years, he and his colleagues and students have conducted internationally acclaimed research on large carnivores and their prey. Until being shut down in recent months, Rob’s lab was renowned in the carnivore research and management community for cutting-edge research.
The cause of Rob’s troubles? A few bad actors in the cattle industry and their regressive allies in the state legislature.
The implications? What happened to Rob sends a chilling signal about what is happening to free speech, scientific inquiry and academic freedoms in our country. We can expect increased politicization of large carnivore research, and attempts by livestock and other industries to shape carnivore science.
A few choice excerpts:
I find it inconceivable that we don’t have such a no hunting boundary [for grizzlies] around Yellowstone Park, because hunting of bears outside of the Park will directly kill bears inside the Park. These are Park bears that are leaving the Park for a period of time -- they’re simply going to be shot. And if you’re killing male bears, Park bears, their cubs will be killed because of infanticide… It’s an assault on protected Park bears. …
It didn’t matter what you said about wolves, you couldn’t win. And if you reported the scientific truth on wolves, you’re pretty much dead. The Republicans just nailed me big time for that, and they were willing to nail the university for that. It was a ‘scorched earth’ policy. People wanted wolves dead, and that’s all there was to it. So scientific truth, academic freedom, all of that stuff, just went out the window.
Universities are supposed to be the last bastions of academic freedom and scientific truth, and so usually they’re not influenced by immediate politics like that. And they’re supposed to stand independently in the name of scientific truth. And in this case the university didn’t, it simply caved in to political pressure…
if you state the scientific facts, you end up losing your job. And the will of the people, the American people, is being completely ignored because of this -- it’s just a real tragedy. I think we’re in a super critical period, where the wildlife and the American people are being downtrodden.
Reading List
Effects of Wolf Mortality on Livestock Depredation
Does Hunting Regulate Cougar Populations: a Test of the Compensatory Mortality Hypothesis
Resource Competition and Apparent Competition in Declining Mule Deer
Sexual Segregation and Female Grizzly Bear Avoidance of Males
Effects of Sport Hunting on Cougar Complaints and Livestock Depredations
Episode 28 - Margot Kidder
July 2018
Warning: this interview with actress and activist Margot Kidder could change your life. Margot was a brilliant spokesperson for the underdog and the dispossessed, who cared deeply about wilderness and the fate of the planet. Margie was also my friend, and one of the most generous, hilarious, smart and beautiful people I have ever met. Margie enjoyed a successful career acting, known, in particular, for her role as Lois Lane in the Superman Series alongside Christopher Reeves.
This interview was done in December, 2016, shortly after Margie returned from unprecedented protests at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota, aimed at stopping a pipeline from being built under the Missouri River. Within a week of this interview, the Trump administration ordered the razing of the protest site, forcible removal of all remaining protesters, and completion of the pipeline.
The time then did not seem ripe to publish this piece, but Margie passed in May, 2018, and I feel that others could be empowered and inspired by her perspectives and experience at the protest. She offers insights here that have not been covered in the press. Margie shares a powerful and clear vision for improving our relations with each other, and the importance of challenging the dominant role of the extractive energy industry and tackling perhaps the most important problem of our time: climate change.
These excerpts from Margie
[At Standing Rock], there’s a sense of community and shared purpose. We’re all fighting climate change in our way, we’re all fighting for water, we’re all fighting these big oil corporations that are destroying our planet for our grandchildren…So there’s a shared purpose -- and then there’s this spiritual and emotional and literal sharing of your tent, your food…your thoughts, your love, your hugs…
The most emotional part of it…was that some tribes had not spoken for 100 years -- the American wars against the Indians were so genocidal and horrible. In particular, the Crow, who decided very early on when white guys came West, they would side with the white guys. And the other native bands did not appreciate that…then the Crow came in from Montana on horseback in full dress, greeted with hugs by the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, Oglala, Cheyenne, who had been their enemies…There was not a dry eye in the camp... the weeping was extraordinary.
Here’s what nobody’s getting…this is a goddamn Canadian pipeline. This is not an American pipeline. This a foreign country getting poor white people in North Dakota to pay, out of their taxes, in these tiny little dirt-poor towns for what they’re calling “security.” Which is, in fact, the worst advertisement for these pipelines in history.
…Can the wisdom, the love, the caring, the unity of all of us and these indigenous peoples rising up together, beat the most wealthy, powerful industry in the world that basically owns our government?
I got to grow up -- I was really blessed in the wilderness -- literally, our backyard were the boreal forests. … I grew up with Indian friends, and as a young woman I could never resist a handsome young brave, I’ll tell you.
When I think of the destruction of the boreal forests, I could break down and sob at the drop of a hat. We had Northern Lights at night in the winter, and snow for infinity…And I think now of climate change, and that that no longer exists.
… I haven’t felt this much at home and myself since I was fourteen years old…God at 68, I got to finally come home, on this funny patch of Army Corps of Engineer land, with all these tents and a lot of aboriginal people who’ve never seen snow before, and driving their cars into snow banks…
So, it’s time these Native kids grabbed the mantle, took their education to heart, and took that wisdom and said: “Back off, we’re going to take over because you made a big mess.”
Episode 27 - Jack Locker
June 2018
Listen to this inspiring interview with Jack Locker, a rock and roll musician based in LA and a conservationist, who’s using his music and many other talents to save the environment, including grizzly bears. (Two great songs of his are linked below.) I have worked with Jack since he drove all the way from LA to Bozeman in 2006 to testify at a public hearing on the federal government’s proposal to strip protections for grizzly bears in Yellowstone. (We won that round in court, but the government recently delisted grizzlies again).
At the hearing, Jack articulated an informed and inspiring alternative to the government’s headlong rush to delist – and later even wrote a wonderful song about his views, called Hibernating Dreams (link below). Since then, Jack has stayed active and informed about grizzly bears and many other conservation issues, while creating more cool music.
Listen to the songs
Hibernatiing Dreams
Sol Mates
These excerpts from Jack
I am doing whatever I can do to help and try to preserve our planet, and especially for the wild animals… I’ve written songs about the grizzly and other threatened wildlife. And some of the tunes exposed the mistreatment of our planet, while trying to show how amazing these places are and the importance of their survival…
One song was called Planetary CPR, which stands for “Conservation, Preservation, Restoration” of wildlands. What do wild animals and species on the brink of disappearing need the most? Conservation, preservation, restoration of habitat, where they live.
So, who is behind the politicians who want to delist the Yellowstone grizzly? Federal Fish and Wildlife Service representatives, as well as deep-pocket lobbying groups consisting of trophy hunters, some cattle ranchers, energy developers and land developers... So, is this a government of the people, or of trophy hunters and land developers?
The thing is that the system is broken, so it’s hard to fix issues when the system’s broken. And until you fix the system, you can’t fix the issues, you just can’t.
Episode 26 - Pat Williams
May 2018
In this interview, former Montana Congressman and friend, Pat Williams, shares fascinating insights from his long career in politics and work to protect the environment – while demonstrating his chops as a terrific storyteller. Pat served nine terms (18 years) in Congress. In addition to conservation, Pat has been dedicated to strengthening America’s education system, making schools safer for our children, advancing the arts, and fighting for the underprivileged.
Pat once remarked that he did not go to Congress as a conservationist, but he left as one. Pat sponsored legislation that designated the Lee Metcalf Wilderness north of Yellowstone Park and the Rattlesnake Wilderness north of Missoula, Montana. He led the successful legislative effort to save the Bob Marshall Wilderness from oil and gas development, and helped ban geothermal energy drilling near Yellowstone National Park.
These excerpts from Pat
“And this wolf [in a pen inside Yellowstone Park], this female wolf…was pacing back and forth against the far fence with her tongue hanging well below her jaw. And the look in her eyes, it looked as though there was a candle behind both eyes that glimmered and sparked and moved around on a breezy day. I realized it’s the epitome of wildness for me. That was the most wild thing I had ever seen. Well, if those things -- whether they’re grizzly bears or woodpeckers or wolves -- are going to be protected, we’ve got to give them a home in which they can be protected… In Montana that means public land. So, the only suggestion I have about managing them… is: give them space.”
“In my view these animals [such as wolves, bison and grizzly bears] belong to the world, but certainly to all Americans. And it does seem to me that this may be an area for the Congress to step into. And make a determination as to whose animals are these, and who should manage them, and how should they be managed, and what group of people should have a say in that management.”
“…The truth of it was, now looking back, we moved from an extractive economy to something else -- to a conservation or a tourism economy. It’s a different kind of economy that produced more jobs, by the way, than the extractive economy had produced during the last 75 years or so.”
“I was a little surprised… how earnest President Bill Clinton was about protecting the [Yellowstone] Park at that moment [from the threat of the proposed New World gold mine]… Bill Clinton called me and said: ‘Pat, what are you doing up there about this?’ This was after we had moved on it [a deal to stop the mine and restore the degraded landscape]… Later, he would call me and say: ‘Is Yellowstone Park okay? Is that mine gone yet?’ So, he was really into it.”
“I encourage my students and young people to get your feet wet. Even if you only read the paper every day. But you can do more than that. You can register to vote. You can get some other people to register to vote. You can listen to speeches, you can go to campaign rallies, you can read about things. Get your feet wet. Several of them, by the way, have run for public office and then told me or their friends: ‘I’m only doing this to get my feet wet.’”
Pat Williams Recommended Readings:
Sycamore Row
By John Grisham
Last Bus to Wisdom
By Ivan Doig
To Each His Own
By Leonardo Sciascia
His Final Battle
By Joseph Lelyveld
Episode 25 - Chris Genovali
April 2018
You must listen to this fascinating interview with Chris Genovali, the Executive Director of Raincoast Conservation Foundation. He is a leading conservationist, prolific writer, and major voice for the voiceless creatures of British Columbia. Chris shares the inside story of a hugely successful campaign that recently stopped trophy hunting of grizzly bears in British Columbia. With humor and clarity, Chris describes weaving a diversity of approaches involving science, economics, collaborative partnerships with First Nations, ethics and the law. There is so much to learn from the sophisticated, ingenious and big-hearted efforts for grizzlies in BC, that I could not cut down this gripping interview..
These excerpts from Chris
“Don’t be afraid to talk about the ethical side of these issues… It seems wildlife management is burdened with this ridiculous restriction that you can’t talk about ethics. And that’s not right and we need to change that.”
“If you’re not prepared to go all in for the long haul, you should probably find something else to do with your life. Find another career… To succeed, you need a lot of perseverance, a lot of commitment and not give up easily.”
“Businesses within British Columbia recognize that there’s no ecological, no economic, no ethical reason to be killing these bears for trophies… They know how much more lucrative viewing these animals is than killing them.”
“The majority of the hunting community was actually opposed to trophy hunting of grizzlies. I think there’s a distinction that needs to be made between shooting large carnivores for trophies and just hunting in general.”
Chris Genovali: Readings
Sciences Advances, March 7, 2018
New Study Casts Doubt on Scientific Basis of Wildlife Management in North America
By Kyle A. Artelle, John D. Reynolds, Adrian Treves, Jessica C. Walsh, Paul C. Paquet, Chris T. Darimont
Vancouver Sun, February 4, 2018
'Political populations' plague wildlife management
By Chris Genovali
Victoria Times Colonist, January 19, 2018
Anecdotes, guesses no justification for killing wolves
By Chris Genovali and Paul C. Paquet
Raincoast Blog, December 18, 2017
Jubilation over NDP decision to stop grizzly hunting in British Columbia
by Chris Genovali
Vancouver Sun, October 14, 2017
Only ban on all grizzly hunting will ensure the slaughter ends
By David Suzuki, Faisal Moola and Chris Genovali
Victoria Times Colonist, November 12, 2017
End all grizzly-bear hunting throughout B.C.
By Chris Darimont, Kyle Artelle, Paul Paquet, Chris Genovali and Faisal Moola
Episode 24 - George Wuerthner
March 2018
Meet George Wuerthner, a prolific author, gifted photographer, and expert in natural history and Wilderness. He has logged countless miles on foot, canoe and skis to explore wildlands that support our wildlife, including grizzlies. George has several advanced degrees in field sciences, and, in the tradition of Wilderness champions such as Aldo Leopold and Bob Marshall, he has become one of the greatest living authorities of public lands and Wilderness. George has written more than 30 books –guides to Wilderness and natural history, as well as gorgeous yet terrifying coffee table books such as Clearcutting and Thrillcraft.
These excerpts from George
“The biggest problem with delisting grizzly bears is that the bears are not at [sufficient] population levels in the Yellowstone area where you can say with certainty that they are going to survive into the future. There’s still too few of them. And bears have unoccupied habitat, particularly in the Wyoming, Caribou and Snake River Ranges, that could support more bears and increase the population tremendously. We need a larger population to be certain that we won’t have problems with genetic inbreeding or climate change.”
“We are seeing the destruction of our wildlife to favor private businesses that operate on our public land…”
“Grazing livestock in Greater Yellowstone is like putting out picnic baskets for the grizzlies. And then we kill the bears, because they happen to find the picnic baskets – it’s a real problem.
For more on George
Gallatin Range Wilderness Needs Defenders, The Wildlife News, 03/01/18
The Premature Delisting of the Yellowstone Grizzly Bear, Counter Punch, 12/05/17
It's time to prioritize wolves over livestock, Crosscut, 10/23/17
Episode 23- Nick Arrivo
February 2018
You must listen to this interview with Nick Arrivo, attorney for the Humane Society of the United States, who is challenging Fish and Wildlife Service’s 2017 decision to remove endangered species protections (“delist”) for the Yellowstone grizzly bear and to allow a trophy hunt of grizzlies. (Five other cases have also been filed). Nick has been involved in a slew of interesting issues, from a successful ban on bobcat trapping in New Hampshire, efforts to prevent Washington state from increasing cougar hunting, and bans on a New Mexico cougar trapping program that threatened to kill endangered Mexican wolves and jaguars. In the interview, Nick reveals a strong ethical backbone and fierce compassion for animals, domestic and wild. Nick challenges us to imagine a different relationship with plants and animals, and says this about his mushroom hunting hobby: “it forces you to pay attention to forms of life that are maybe a little less sexy, that aren’t at eye level. There’s an incredible diversity of life underneath the leaves and along the roots of trees that if you aren’t looking for it, you don’t really notice - but once you start, it’s this entire alien kingdom of life!”
Nick outlines the deficiencies of the government’s decision to delist Yellowstone grizzlies, including this: “I think the [Fish and Wildlife] Service knew that the states were doing a pretty poor job throughout the entire process, and kind of looked the other way, while the states went through regulatory processes that were legally and substantively pretty poor -- the most important component of which of course is the plan to allow trophy hunting.”
We can rest assured that the fate of Yellowstone’s grizzlies is in good legal hands!
For more on Nick, see:
Animal rights activists file suit against State Game Commission over cougar traps, Santa Fe New Mexican, 6/28/16
Groups call State’s cougar cam ‘ironic’ in light of expanding trapping, KRQE New Mexico, 6/29/16
And here is another wonderful interview with Nick, Animal Law Podcast #12: Why Grizzlies, Cougars, And Bobcats Need A Good Lawyer, with Nick Arrivo, Our Hen House, 5/27/16
I could not resist this intro to a reading that Nick sent:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
— George Orwell (1984)
EXTIRPATION IS RECOVERY
— U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service
Recommended Reading from Nick:
Recovery in a Cynical Time – With Apologies to Eric Arthur Blair, by Dale Goble
(Download, PDF)
All Animals are Equal, by Peter Singer
(Download, PDF)
Episode 22 - Doug Peacock
September 2017
You must listen to Doug Peacock, world-renowned writer, naturalist, veteran, and defender of the Wilderness, for his perspectives on the Yellowstone grizzly and what may happen if the recent removal of endangered species protections (delisting) is not reversed.
Doug met grizzlies up close and personal after spending two tours in Vietnam as a green beret medic, Doug returned a bit of an emotional wreck, and sought out solace of wilderness in Wyoming’s Wind River Mountains and then in and around Glacier Park. Doug has since spent over four decades documenting and filming grizzlies in the wild. He’s written two books on grizzlies, Grizzly Years and The Essential Grizzly, as well as other books, including Walking It Off about his relationship with author Edward Abbey, and most recently, In The Shadow Of The Sabertooth.
This from the interview: “In my opinion, climate change will, in itself, along with the lost protections, the absence of efforts to establish any kind of connectivity or linkage or genetic exchange with other grizzly bear ecosystems to the north -- that hunting season is going to plunge the Yellowstone grizzly, this little island ecosystem of bears, into a terminal decline. So I feel this is the most important moment of all in our decades-old battles to save the Yellowstone grizzly. The combination of climate change and a proposed trophy-hunting season is the end of the Yellowstone grizzly -- so we’re going to have to win this one.” In court.
Listen to the whole interview, for more on his friendship with author Ed Abbey, the hairy story of the Black Grizzly and more.
Check out www.dougpeacock.net, and www.savetheyellowstonegrizzly.org
Books By Doug Peacock
(but check out his bibliography at www.dougpeaock.net for more of his writings).
For more you can do, also see: http://www.savetheyellowstonegrizzly.org/
In the Shadow of the Sabertooth:
A Renegade Naturalist Considers Global Warming, the First Americans and the Terrible Beasts of the Pleistocene
The Essential Grizzly: The Mingled Fates of Men and Bears, Doug and Andrea Peacock
Episode 21 - Jim and Heidi Barrett
April 2017
If you are feeling depressed by the state of our nation, take hope and a few minutes to listen to the stories of two conservation heroes, Jim and Heidi Barrett. Jim and Heidi are long-time residents of Silver Gate MT, near Cooke City on the doorstep of Yellowstone Park. They raised their son in the company of grizzlies, moose, wolves, and other wonders of the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. With modesty and courage, they took on – and won -- some of the biggest environmental threats facing their wild corner of the ecosystem. They were leaders in the epic battle to stop a gold mine from being built at the edge of Yellowstone Park; they worked to bring under control the escalating use of off-road vehicles; and they played a major role in improving sanitation systems in an area that had long been a “black hole for bears” because widely available garbage had caused so many bears to be killed.
Jim and Heidi Barrett are proof that a few people with big hearts and determination, can make an immeasurable difference for the wild, and all of us.
For more on Jim and Heidi and the efforts to reduce conflicts with grizzly bears around Cooke City, see my blog: http://www.grizzlytimes.org/single-post/2017/01/08/Trash-Talk-Cooke-City-Cleans-Up-Garbage-Saves-Bears
Recommended reading:
Books by Barbara Kingsolver
Anything by Rick Bass
Sun Magazine
Check out Jim’s art: http://jimbarrettfineart.com/
Episode 20 - Lyn Dalebout
February 2017
This show is tailor made for these troubled times! Poet and educator Lyn Dalebout is a woman with many hats and talents: she is also a biologist and a sidereal astrologer, who writes a weekly blog called Earth Sky Oracle. (Check out the recent ones on Obama and other political figures). Lyn has a book of poems called Out of the Flames. Her writing has appeared in a number of anthologies.
This week’s podcast is dedicated to our dear friend Anthony Birkholz, whose bright flame was tragically extinguished last week. Tony’s last project involved a film about grizzly bear delisting. Bon Voyage, Tony!
Recommended reading:
Episode 19 - Dr. Brad Bergstrom
November 2016
Don’t miss this show featuring Dr. Brad Bergstrom, a mammalian ecologist, conservation biologist, and Professor of Biology at Valdosta State University. For nearly ten years, Brad chaired the Conservation Committee of the American Society of Mammalogists, where he reviewed endangered species policies. Brad has been deeply involved with large carnivore issues, especially grizzly bears and wolves. His views on delisting and grizzly bear recovery are insightful, interesting and wise.
Links:
Listed: dispatches from America's Endangered Species Act. Harvard Univ. Press, Cambridge, MA.
Roman, J. (2011)
Predatory bureaucracy: the extermination of wolves and the transformation of the West. University of Colorado Press, Boulder, CO. Robinson, M.J. (2005)
The wilderness warrior: Theodore Roosevelt and the crusade for America. Harper Collins, New York. Brinkley, D. (2009).
Yellowstone: A Journey Through America's Wild Heart. National Geographic Society. Quammen, D. (2016)
Recommended Papers and Letters:
American Society of Mammalogists and Society for Conservation Biology (2016) joint statement on proposed Grizzly Bear delisting : http://www.mammalsociety.org/uploads/committee_files/GYE_grizzly_letter_ASM_SCB_Final.pdf
Bergstrom et al. (2014) License to kill: reforming federal wildlife control to restore biodiversity and ecosystem function. Conservation Letters 7: 131-142. http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~bergstrm/Bergstrom%20et%20al%202014%20(ConsLetters_print).pdf
Endangered Species Coalition and EarthJustice. (2003) A citizens' guide to the ESA.
Episode 18 - Rick Bass
October 2016
Don’t miss this episode with Rick Bass! A world renowned writer and conservation advocate, Rick shares his long experience fighting for Wilderness, bears and his beloved Yaak Valley. Hearing his words will make you fall in love with Wilderness, grizzly bears, wolves all over again!
Here’s Rick: “Anytime you’re fortunate enough to see a bear, any kind of bear, it changes your day, changes your week, it re-calibrates how you think about yourself. You’re just struck by the sentience and intelligence of the animal. It re-calibrates this myth, this perception we have that because our brains are pretty big, we’ve got everything figured out.”
Links:
Grizzly Years, Doug Peacock
All the King's Men, Robert Penn Warren
One Writer's Beginnings, Eudora Welty
Solo Faces, James Salter
Episode 17 - Dr. Adrien Treves
September 2016
Catch the latest show with Dr. Adrian Treves, an Associate Professor of Environmental Studies at the University of Madison in Wisconsin! Adrian’s research focuses on finding a balance between human needs and those of large carnivores.
In his latest paper, he and his colleagues pointed out the shoddiness of research design being used today to justify killing of carnivores. Drawing from lessons learned from the bio-medical research community, authors applied a “gold standard” for scientific inference, in order to evaluate lethal and nonlethal efforts to reduce human and livestock conflicts. They found that no research done in the last 40 years met this rigorous test, and few met even the more relaxed “silver standard.” The majority of recent studies of lethal methods found no effect, or a counter productive effect of increased livestock loss from carnivore killing. This led to the authors to recommend a moratorium or a suspension of lethal methods until "gold standard" experiments are completed.
Episode 16 - Dr. Marc Bekoff
August 2016
Dr. Marc Bekoff brings infinite wisdom and compassion to our relationships with animals. He is a former professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and is a fellow of the Animal Behavior Society and a past Guggenheim fellow. His scientific research includes animal behavior and cognitive ethology, which is the study of animal minds. With over 1000 articles and 30 books thus far, Marc is a leader in behavioral ecology, and pioneered the field of compassionate conservation.. His homepage is marcbekoff.com
Kids & animals, Marc Bekoff, Foreword by Jane Goodall
Jasper's story: Saving moon bears, by Jill Robinson and Marc Bekoff
Ignoring nature no more: The case for compassionate conservation, edited by Marc Bekoff
Why dogs hump and bees get depressed, by Marc Bekoff
Rewilding Our Hearts: Building Pathways of Compassion and Coexistence, by Marc Bekoff
The Jane Effect: Celebrating Jane Goodall, edited by Dale Peterson and Marc Bekoff
The Animals' Agenda: Freedom, Compassion, and Coexistence in the Human Age (with Jessica Pierce, 2017, Beacon Press)
Essays on bears:
Compassionate conservation:
Trumping wildlife/trophy hunting:
Episode 15 - Jack Oelfke
August 2016
Imagine the return of grizzly bear in Washington's vast North Cascades wilderness, where it fulfills its ancient role in the ecosystem! That is what Jack Oeflke of the North Cascades Park Complex discusses in this inspiring show. Ample habitat is available to support a population of several hundred grizzly bears, in an ecosystem that is on a par with Yellowstone and Glacier, but now lacks a reproducing population of bears. Public support is strong for the proposal to reintroduce bears, which could occur in the next few years. A final decision is expected by the end of 2017. Join the conversation!
Episode 14 - Sam Jojola
August 2016
Sam Jojola tells the gripping (and dangerous) story of his career as an undercover agent for the US Fish and Wildlife Service -- and his fascinating later career as an actor, which he says shares a lot with undercover work. For two decades, Sam worked on cases of illegal parrot smuggling, wildlife poisoning, and illegal trophy hunting by Safari Club types. His shares his serious concerns about the legal framework for managing grizzlies if federal protections are removed.
Sam says"state and federal agencies need to work in tandem, both are important. With the limited number of bears in the world, and with six out of eight of the world's bear species imperiled, why take a chance with grizzly bears, that deserve everything we can possibly do for them?"
The Lizard King by Bryan Christy - about a fellow USFWS Special Agent Chip Bepler who chased a notorious reptile smuggler in Florida.
Of Parrots and People by Mira Tweti – Chapter 9, entitled "The Invisible Man," is about some of Sam’s covert work on the illegal parrot trade.
Winged Obsession by Jessica Speart - about the world's most notorious and prolific rare butterfly smuggler, caught by a colleague of Sam’s. The author gave Sam an acknowledgement for bringing this case to her attention.
A Hunt for Justice by Lucinda Delaney Schroeder - chronology of friend of Sam’s, a USFWS Special Agent, about an undercover Dall Sheep case she made in Alaska.
Plunder of the Ancients by Lucinda Delaney Schroeder - chronology of the illegal trafficking of Native American artifacts by art dealers in Santa Fe and elsewhere.
Animal Investigators by Laurel A. Neme, PhD - great story about the world's first USFWS Wildlife Forensics Laboratory in Ashland, OR, with chapters on bear gall bladder investigations.
Episode 13 - Barbara Ulrich
July 2016
Barbara Ulrich shares her experience as an owner of an ecotourism business in Gardiner, MT, the doorstep of Yellowstone Park. Faced with the government’s troubling treatment of wolves, bison and other wildlife when they step outside the boundary of Park, Barbara became a leader of a community-based effort to improve state management. Her intelligent, low-key, but persistent style has paid off, with Montana’s adoption of more benign wolf policies. Feeding her curiosity about how the natural world works, Barbra went on mid-career to pursue graduate work looking for signals of past changes in climate in microbes that flourish in bison poop.
Spillover by David Quamman
A Montana writer attacks medical forensics in these stories of significant relevance to the modern world!
The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars by Michael Mann
Climate change is not a religion, it's science - and sadly, politics. Michael Mann addresses these issues head on.
The Signature of All Things Elizabeth Gilbert's great historical fiction work whose main character is a strong willed, intelligent, woman who is by nature, a scientist.
Episode 12 - Stephany Seay
June 2016
Today's episode is with Stephany Seay, media coordinator for the Buffalo Field Campaign. Stephany is on the front lines of protecting Yellowstone’s buffalo, for which there is sadly still great hostility in Montana and among cattlemen. She and other members of Buffalo Field Campaign monitor buffalo year round, and they bear witness to the government's mistreatment of them, such as last winter when about 600 animals were killed.
Dan Brister’s In the Presence of Buffalo
https://org.salsalabs.com/o/2426/t/11564/shop/item.jsp?storefront_KEY=554&t=&store_item_KEY=4664
Everything by Derrick Jensen, especially Endgame, Vols. 1 & 2, & The Myth of Human Supremacy
Episode 11 - Bethany Cotton
June 2016
Bethany Cotton of Wild Earth Guardians is a leading light in the fight to protect grizzly bears, wolves, lynx, bobcat and the wild nature of the American West. She started early, testifying at a hearing against a proposed mine (still not built) at the age of 12, and made the decision to become an environmental attorney in high school. You can't help but be inspired by her passion and moved by her resilience and tenacity.
Episode 10 - Dr. Paul Paquet and Dr. Chris Darimont
June 2016
This week, Louisa talks with Dr. Paul Paquet and Dr. Chris Darimont. Paul and Chris are both world renowned experts on predators and their wild ecosystems. Both have publications, infact a huge number of publications; a list as long as your arm. They may look conventional on paper, but in reality they’re kind of rebels, and they represent a serious challenge to conventional wildlife management, because in addition to researching the animals and their ecosystems, they have expressed concern about the welfare of wildlife.
More Reading
The Lorax, Dr. Seuss
Teaching a Stone to Talk, Annie Dillard
Sand County Almanac, Aldo Leopold
Ecology of Conflict: Marine Food Supply Affects Human-Wildlife Interaction on Land
Artelle, K.A, et al,
Sci. Rep. 6, 25936; doi: 10.1038/srep25936 (2016)
Wildlife Conservation and Animal Welfare: Two Sides of the Same Coin?
PC Paquet and CT Darimont
Animal Welfare, 2010, 19: 177-190 ISSN 1962-7286
The Unique Ecology of Human Predators
Chris Darimont et al,
Science, 349, 858 (2015) DOI:10.1126/science.aac 4249
Episode 9 - Michelle Uberuaga
May 2016
Michelle Uberuaga is the Executive Director of the Park County Environmental Council in Livingston, Montana, a grassroots organization working to protect a landscape that is vital to the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem – and one that is threatened by two massive gold mines, rural sprawl, and lingering intolerance to grizzly bears and wolves. Armed with a background as an attorney, a winning personality, and the ferocity of momma bear, Michelle is making headway, along with the members of PCEC… Michelle articulates why species like the grizzly bear need active local AND national constituents, explaining why she works at both scales.
Episode 8 - Dr. Jesse Logan - Part 2
May 2016
In Episode 8, Dr. Jesse Logan shares the second part of the interview, with fascinating insights on how whitebark pine trees, which provide vital seeds to grizzly bears, are sitting ducks when it comes to the predatory pine bark beetle. Dr. Logan talks about what it was like working on climate change issues in the hostile Bush administration, and his overriding passion for wilderness and wildlife.
Episode 7 - Dr. Jesse Logan - Part 1
May 2016
Louisa Willcox speaks with Dr Jesse Logan who blew the whistle on the threat to whitebark pine, a key grizzly bear food, from mountains pine beetle and global warming long before anyone else had imagined it. He tells the amazing story of predicting and then documenting the tragic loss of a magnificent forest in Greater Yellowstone, and using his knowledge to help in the fight to restore legal protections to the Yellowstone grizzly bear. Jesse is a forest ecologist, climate expert and outdoorsman extraordinaire, who in his 70's can still kick your ass in the woods.
More reading:
Ecology of Place: Mountain Pine Beetle, Whitebark Pine, and Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem: WFIWC Founders Award, 2009, Dr Jesse Logan.
In the Rockies, Pine Dies and Bears Feel It, Charles Petit, New York Times, 2007
Global Warming's Unlikely Harbingers, Michelle Niijhuis, High Country News. 2004
The Scrambled Natural World of Global Warming, Washington State Magazine, Winter 2014
Episode 5 & 6 - Charlie Russell
April/May 2016
Charlie Russell is a rancher, bear expert, film-maker and author, who has such a special personal way with bears that some call him a bear whisperer -- a honorific that he poopoo’s. Charlie has spent much of his life pioneering a different kind of compassionate and respectful relationship with bears and other wildlife, one he thinks is possible for all of us. Charlie has accomplished what many thought impossible, including raising tiny orphan cubs and releasing them successfully in the wild to flourish. Charlie’s decade in Russia’s Far East were high adventure, tracking poachers in his ultralight plane, and building a Russian ranger corps to protect bears and other wildlife. Charlie speaks to tragic deaths by bears of friends like Timothy Treadwell, and the threats to grizzly bears in Alberta and Yellowstone by proposed sport hunting.
Grizzly Heart: Living Without Fear Among the Brown Bears of Kamchatka,2002,
by Charlie Russell and Maureen Enns
Spirit Bear: Encounter with the White Bear of the Western Rainforest, 1994,
by Charlie Russell
The Beardude Story: Data vs Dogma, Apr 9,2015
by Mr. Allen W. Piche
The Grizzly,1914,
by Enos A. Mills
Episode 4 - Tim Bozorth
April 2016
Louisa Willcox speaks with Tim Bozorth, retired land manager and member of Yellowstone’s Interagency Grizzly Bear Subcommittee, who candidly shares his opposition to grizzly bear delisting. During his 45 years in public service, Tim stood up for the public and our natural resources, and helped make the world a safer place for grizzly bears in the Gravelly and Centennial Mountains. Here he outlines his vision for what still needs to be done next to achieve long term recovery for the grizzly bear.
More reading:
Walden and Civil Disobedience, Henry David Thoreau
A Sand Country Almanac, Aldo Leopold
Our Natural History: The Lessons of Lewis and Clark, Danial B. Botkin
Crossing The Next Meridian Land: Water and the Future of the West, Charles, F. Wilkinson
The Wisdom of the Crowds: Why the Many are Smarter than the Few and How Collective Wisdom Shapes Business, Economies, Societies and Nations, James Surowiecki
Episode 3 - Casey Anderson
April 2016
Louisa Willcox talks to Casey Anderson, who raised a grizzly cub, Brutus, from a tiny baby to a 900 pound giant. Casey challenges us to think differently about our relationships with bears, who are a lot like us. Casey owns Grizzly Encounter, an educational facility that harbors grizzly bears, many of whom were rescued from dire conditions, or zoos that were closing down.
More information on Casey and Brutus:
FACEBOOK - https://www.facebook.com/Casey-Anderson-464679620477/
Casey’s TEDx Bozeman Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrFgoxmnoDI
Casey’s book - his story about Brutus: http://www.amazon.com/The-Story-Brutus-Grizzlies-America/dp/1605982539
Casey's video choices:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVMBdi4dgME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aGitn1q-E8
Montana Grizzly Encounters http://www.grizzlyencounter.org
Episode 2 - Chuck Neal
March 2016
Louisa Willcox talks with a man who pulls no punches when talking about the management problems of the ecosystems and the political dominance of the livestock industry over all other values on public lands. Chuck Neal, ecologist, author, and grizzly bear expert, and old friend and colleague spent 40 years as an ecologist working for the Departments of Interior and Agriculture across the West, from New Mexico to Montana, with a special emphasis on wilderness and habitat. Chuck has a passion for grizzly bears and has spent countless hours in Yellowstone’s backcountry in the company of bears. His book, Grizzlies in the Mist makes for a fascinating read.
Suggested reading:
Grizzlies in the Mist, by Chuck Neal
Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance, by Stephen Herrero
On connectivity for grizzly bear populations? http://www.grizzlytimes.org/#!blank-6/cymg
How many bears do you need to get to recovery? http://www.grizzlytimes.org/#!blank-6/cymg
Episode 1 - Dr. Barrie Gilbert
March 2016
Louisa Willcox of the Grizzly Times talks with an old friend and colleague Dr. Barrie Gilbert for insights to the mess that is about to unfold in the world of grizzly bears. Barrie is an expert and a retired professor of animal behavior at Utah State University who studied grizzly bears from Yellowstone to Alaska for 40 years.
Now he’s also studying how they’re being managed by the government and his view points offer a stark warning.
Suggested reading:
Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock www.dougpeacock.net
Agency Spin, By Dr. David Mattson http://www.grizzlytimes.org/#!agency-spin/c19kj
Killing Grizzly Bears, Grizzly Times http://www.grizzlytimes.org/#!killing-grizzly-bears/c80v
Without a Safety Net, Grizzly Times http://www.grizzlytimes.org/#!Without-A-Safety-Ned